An “Expelled” video, and a good point

A great video from Thunderf00t on YouTube applying some of Ben Stein’s own logic against him. There’s a lot of flak out there for the “Expelled” movie, for good reason. I really appreciate this particular clip because Thunderf00t brings up a point that’s absolutely central to understanding the conflict.

Science is NOT a democracy. Science does not play fair. Scientific inquiry does not equal free speech. Everyone gets an equal chance to suggest ideas, yes, but those ideas have to work. They have to a) make confirm-able predictions, b) provide a mechanism that explains a phenomena, c) be backed up by physical or experimental evidence and/or d) survive the rigorus criticism, testing and peer-review that ALL scientific theories go through.

As far as I can tell, the entire argument of “Expelled” is: “We don’t like your theory (evolution) so we want you to teach ours (creationism/ID). If you question it, criticize it, point out its flaws or ask for any evidence, then you are an intellectual bigot (Nazi/Commie) for not instantly accepting our idea.”

It’s exactly like the sore loser kid we all grew up with. If he’s not winning by the pre-established rules of the game, he’ll kick and scream and say it’s unfair.

It’s simple. You want to say that God created the universe in 6 literal days, and that’s your religion, fine. It’s silly, but we can’t touch that.

On the other hand, if you want your faith to be treated like science, then you have to play by the rules.

“A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything” -Nietzche

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9 responses to “An “Expelled” video, and a good point

  1. just saw Expelled; the fact that Ben Stein isn’t trying to win any popularity contests helps to validate his message… i gather that his goal is to promote free thought, especially more thinking about the worldviews that drive American academia

  2. Unpopular = valid? That’s just a tad fallacious. It’s just as false as popular = valid. The fact that any number of people like or dislike a particular idea has no bearing on its truth or falsehood.

    As I said in my post, science is not about free speech. It’s about using the tools we have to discover the truth. Ben Stein and the people behind Expelled have shown by their statements and behavior that they have no integrity in the promotion and creation of their film, so how can we accept their cries for fairness and honesty?

    http://www.expelledexposed.com

  3. I wish an analogous documentary film was made concerning the DINOGLYFS or dinolits:
    http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/dinosaur.htm
    It seems that the ancient man not only saw but also documented the last megafauna (gigafauna, I should say).

    This conference poster of mine shows how profoundly the continental, Haeckelian type of vulgar evolutionism drived not only the ‘Politics-is-applied-biology’ Nazi takeover but also the nationalistic collapse of the World War I. It was Charles Darwin himself, who raised the monstrous Haeckel in the spotlight as the greatest authority in the field of human evolution, even in the preface to his Descent of man in 1871:
    http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Haeckelian_legacy.pdf

    pauli.ojala@gmail.com
    Biochemist, drop-out (Master of Sciing)
    http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Expelled-ID.htm

  4. Singe says : I absolutely agree with this !

  5. With my post? or the previous comment?

  6. Roxas

    Explain how the world was created then? The big bang? I always though that science explained that an object in motion stays in motion and an object at rest stayed at rest. unless acted upon by >>>>>>>> an outside force. God.

  7. Roxas

    Not to mention that I know for a fact that creationism(intelligent design) has been around far longer than evolution. It has stood the test of time, ridicule, slavery, and persecution. You don’t need a Bible to back that up. Historical facts (excluding the Bible) show that it has always been around and that it has a better track record than evolution or darwinism. All science proves to man is that we will never be able to completely understand it. It is beyond us. It points us to the fact that this all couldn’t of just happened. The closer you look at a piece of matter, (a cell, atom, dna) you find that it gets more and more complex and perfect. Really think about what you are saying. COuld it have all happened. Even if you don’t believe in a god, it makes more sence to than to just think it a huge mega random mutation that mutated and mutated and mutated and mutated to make us. Hello. Most mutations are usually for the worst and to have all of them good and a random spark of creation on a perfect planet suited for it….. Well you tell me. Genesis gives an easier analogy and it makes perfect sence.

  8. Pingback: Creationists strike back!!! « Things That Never Happened

  9. Roxas, I turned my response into a blog post, please check it out. https://dezrah.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/creationists-strike-back/

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